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		<title>By: Tom Beiser</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=2844&#038;cpage=1#comment-47917</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Beiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aviation needs people to recruit that can relate. We can&#039;t have old guys in khakis and a polo telling young kids about the glory days. We need current young pilots who go out and recruit. AOPA needs to blow the dust off if they really want to make an impact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aviation needs people to recruit that can relate. We can&#8217;t have old guys in khakis and a polo telling young kids about the glory days. We need current young pilots who go out and recruit. AOPA needs to blow the dust off if they really want to make an impact.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=2844&#038;cpage=1#comment-47842</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aviation is in a dire place. Building on Tom B.&#039;s comments, I subscribe to Plane &amp; Pilot magazine and enjoy their content. They cover other aspects of aviation the AOPA Pilot and other magazines miss. I love my Cessna 150M and tho I have thought over the years to &quot;upgrade&quot; the costs involved outweigh the benefits.
I love doing owner-assisted annuals as a way to keep the costs down, as well as flying off a grass strip. Many of my aviation friends are Sport Pilots and EAA members as well. In one magazine that I was reading, they were forecasting a shortage of pilots &amp; something like 180,000-200,000 pilots are going to be needed by 2020 ! If that figure is correct, just where are they going to come from as all things cost $$$$$$ ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aviation is in a dire place. Building on Tom B.&#8217;s comments, I subscribe to Plane &amp; Pilot magazine and enjoy their content. They cover other aspects of aviation the AOPA Pilot and other magazines miss. I love my Cessna 150M and tho I have thought over the years to &#8220;upgrade&#8221; the costs involved outweigh the benefits.<br />
I love doing owner-assisted annuals as a way to keep the costs down, as well as flying off a grass strip. Many of my aviation friends are Sport Pilots and EAA members as well. In one magazine that I was reading, they were forecasting a shortage of pilots &amp; something like 180,000-200,000 pilots are going to be needed by 2020 ! If that figure is correct, just where are they going to come from as all things cost $$$$$$ ?</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=2844&#038;cpage=1#comment-47837</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom B. has it right.  I&#039;m Commercial, Instrument, ASELS, I&#039;ve been flying for 29 years and I&#039;ve been an AOPA member for 27 years.  I&#039;m planning to retire from my regular job soon and I recently sold my last certified airplane - a Mooney Ovation3 that gave me 170 KTAS at 15 GPH - because it was simply too expensive to operate and maintain on a retirement income.  I bought a new Glastar for about $70K from a poor guy who lost his medical and I love it!  Yes, I gave up about 30 KTAS but with 200HP it has more power-to-weight than the Mooney and I can maintain it myself for a fraction of the cost of the Mooney without the risk of losing OEM support (I know how expensive that can be because I used to own a Lake amphibian).  My Glastar also has avionics as good as my Mooney and will be getting even better - I just bought a new avionics package at Oshkosh for $12K that has much better capability than a G1000.  When I retire, I may build an RV-10 or RV-14.  So who speaks for me?  Not AOPA anymore.  I joined the EAA a few years ago and they&#039;re speaking my language.  Yes, I&#039;m also seeing the EAA increase their catering to &quot;big business&quot; at Oshkosh but at least they&#039;re still putting their (our) &quot;money where their mouth is&quot; with grass-roots programs like Young Eagles and I feel connected through my local chapter.  I rarely miss Oshkosh or Sun N&#039; Fun.  I used to attend AOPA&#039;s wonderful HQ Fly-in every year but they cancelled that in favor of vendor events like the expensive Summit that I will never attend.  I can also call EAA and get useful information when I need it.  Try doing that with AOPA these days unless you pay extra for one of their &quot;service&quot; plans.

In the interest of full disclosure, I guess I should also mention that I recently bought an airport.  Of course, I make about as much out of that as I did the farm I used to own before I developed it but I&#039;m putting my &quot;money where my mouth is&quot; to keep GA alive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom B. has it right.  I&#8217;m Commercial, Instrument, ASELS, I&#8217;ve been flying for 29 years and I&#8217;ve been an AOPA member for 27 years.  I&#8217;m planning to retire from my regular job soon and I recently sold my last certified airplane &#8211; a Mooney Ovation3 that gave me 170 KTAS at 15 GPH &#8211; because it was simply too expensive to operate and maintain on a retirement income.  I bought a new Glastar for about $70K from a poor guy who lost his medical and I love it!  Yes, I gave up about 30 KTAS but with 200HP it has more power-to-weight than the Mooney and I can maintain it myself for a fraction of the cost of the Mooney without the risk of losing OEM support (I know how expensive that can be because I used to own a Lake amphibian).  My Glastar also has avionics as good as my Mooney and will be getting even better &#8211; I just bought a new avionics package at Oshkosh for $12K that has much better capability than a G1000.  When I retire, I may build an RV-10 or RV-14.  So who speaks for me?  Not AOPA anymore.  I joined the EAA a few years ago and they&#8217;re speaking my language.  Yes, I&#8217;m also seeing the EAA increase their catering to &#8220;big business&#8221; at Oshkosh but at least they&#8217;re still putting their (our) &#8220;money where their mouth is&#8221; with grass-roots programs like Young Eagles and I feel connected through my local chapter.  I rarely miss Oshkosh or Sun N&#8217; Fun.  I used to attend AOPA&#8217;s wonderful HQ Fly-in every year but they cancelled that in favor of vendor events like the expensive Summit that I will never attend.  I can also call EAA and get useful information when I need it.  Try doing that with AOPA these days unless you pay extra for one of their &#8220;service&#8221; plans.</p>
<p>In the interest of full disclosure, I guess I should also mention that I recently bought an airport.  Of course, I make about as much out of that as I did the farm I used to own before I developed it but I&#8217;m putting my &#8220;money where my mouth is&#8221; to keep GA alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Landsberg</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=2844&#038;cpage=1#comment-47767</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Landsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, It appears that I have struck something of a nerve here. There are several things going in Frederick that are beginning to address some of the anguish that is so well expressed here. You&#039;ll hear much more in the coming months.

Let me manage a few expectations - even if the medicine is consumed immediately  ( which it won&#039;t be) by all who need to drink it, it will take a little while to have an effect but there is finally a sense of urgency.

Readers here may also want to set aside some time when the September AOPA Pilot hits the airwaves and your mailbox. The Landmark accident and Foundation Focus  may resonate with you.

Thanks to everyone for your thoughts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, It appears that I have struck something of a nerve here. There are several things going in Frederick that are beginning to address some of the anguish that is so well expressed here. You&#8217;ll hear much more in the coming months.</p>
<p>Let me manage a few expectations &#8211; even if the medicine is consumed immediately  ( which it won&#8217;t be) by all who need to drink it, it will take a little while to have an effect but there is finally a sense of urgency.</p>
<p>Readers here may also want to set aside some time when the September AOPA Pilot hits the airwaves and your mailbox. The Landmark accident and Foundation Focus  may resonate with you.</p>
<p>Thanks to everyone for your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Beiser</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=2844&#038;cpage=1#comment-47759</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Beiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 19:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce, I have to tell you your timing on this is impeccable, however AOPA should shoulder some of this blame.

I was catching up on my reading the other day and opened the June issue of AOPA.  Looking through the advertisements, I thought to myself &quot;Just who is AOPA magazine for anyway?&quot;  It&#039;s not for me, at least not any longer because I can&#039;t afford anything you are advertising.

$50,000-$100,000 flight schools
$500,000 cirrus aircraft
$30,000 efis/gps systems
$10,000 watches
$40,000 factory engines
$10,000 engine monitors
mulitmillion dollar business jets

Just who are you advertising too?  Certainly not to me and I&#039;m a 22 year ATP rated former airline pilot.  Just who is AOPA&#039;s customer anyway?

And to top it off, I receive the AOPA daily email.  Two of the articles I really wanted to read were blocked because I&#039;m not a member of the legal services plan.

The truth is, for the vast majority of us, the only way forward is to build/buy an experimental for a fraction of the price.  A new airplane with fancy avionics for $50,000-$100,000 seems to be the right move.  Honestly, AOPA doesn&#039;t speak my language anymore but EAA does.

Just my $.02 worth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, I have to tell you your timing on this is impeccable, however AOPA should shoulder some of this blame.</p>
<p>I was catching up on my reading the other day and opened the June issue of AOPA.  Looking through the advertisements, I thought to myself &#8220;Just who is AOPA magazine for anyway?&#8221;  It&#8217;s not for me, at least not any longer because I can&#8217;t afford anything you are advertising.</p>
<p>$50,000-$100,000 flight schools<br />
$500,000 cirrus aircraft<br />
$30,000 efis/gps systems<br />
$10,000 watches<br />
$40,000 factory engines<br />
$10,000 engine monitors<br />
mulitmillion dollar business jets</p>
<p>Just who are you advertising too?  Certainly not to me and I&#8217;m a 22 year ATP rated former airline pilot.  Just who is AOPA&#8217;s customer anyway?</p>
<p>And to top it off, I receive the AOPA daily email.  Two of the articles I really wanted to read were blocked because I&#8217;m not a member of the legal services plan.</p>
<p>The truth is, for the vast majority of us, the only way forward is to build/buy an experimental for a fraction of the price.  A new airplane with fancy avionics for $50,000-$100,000 seems to be the right move.  Honestly, AOPA doesn&#8217;t speak my language anymore but EAA does.</p>
<p>Just my $.02 worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Prevost</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=2844&#038;cpage=1#comment-47758</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Prevost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(clap, clap, clap) to all posters, particularly Maynard M.  I can add nothing more of value, but as a small business owner I see the effects of government policies that favor the few and leave the rest of us to carry ever larger burdens.

And as a business owner, it&#039;s not the cost of *regulation* that pushes manufacturing off-shore, it&#039;s the (hideously) low cost of ***labor*** primarily as well as the willingness of places like China to pollute their environment egregiously that attracts manufacturing.

But how do we break the downward spiral?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(clap, clap, clap) to all posters, particularly Maynard M.  I can add nothing more of value, but as a small business owner I see the effects of government policies that favor the few and leave the rest of us to carry ever larger burdens.</p>
<p>And as a business owner, it&#8217;s not the cost of *regulation* that pushes manufacturing off-shore, it&#8217;s the (hideously) low cost of ***labor*** primarily as well as the willingness of places like China to pollute their environment egregiously that attracts manufacturing.</p>
<p>But how do we break the downward spiral?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Bousfield</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=2844&#038;cpage=1#comment-47757</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Bousfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much of the above is the exact reason why we crafted our business plan the way we did.  We see that aviation has a tremendous potential future - in fact when you look at futuristic movies like Fifth Element and Star Wars, you see transportation in the air, not on the ground.  That is what people envision as the future, but we do have real barriers to that with the regulations, litigation, and decreasing middle income structure in the US.  With more and more people seeing the problems, there is the possibility that Washington can be changed for the better.

One way to deal with it is to make your airplane also your car, so you can combine vehicles for expense purposes.  Not keeping it at the airport or paying hanger rent reduces cost.  Using an engine that burns unleaded regular gasoline can lower cost.  With a little attention placed on providing a reasonably low purchase price and maintenance cost engine that is still reliable, we could really turn things around.  That is our intention at Samson, and by certifying outside the US, we feel it is feasible.

The bottom line for me is not buying into the idea that &#039;it can&#039;t be done&#039;.  That is not what makes this country different, or what has worked for us in the past.  The idea is to find a way it can work, and make it happen.  The alternate is that we pilots disappear and general aviation becomes extinct.  That is not the future I envision or wish to have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of the above is the exact reason why we crafted our business plan the way we did.  We see that aviation has a tremendous potential future &#8211; in fact when you look at futuristic movies like Fifth Element and Star Wars, you see transportation in the air, not on the ground.  That is what people envision as the future, but we do have real barriers to that with the regulations, litigation, and decreasing middle income structure in the US.  With more and more people seeing the problems, there is the possibility that Washington can be changed for the better.</p>
<p>One way to deal with it is to make your airplane also your car, so you can combine vehicles for expense purposes.  Not keeping it at the airport or paying hanger rent reduces cost.  Using an engine that burns unleaded regular gasoline can lower cost.  With a little attention placed on providing a reasonably low purchase price and maintenance cost engine that is still reliable, we could really turn things around.  That is our intention at Samson, and by certifying outside the US, we feel it is feasible.</p>
<p>The bottom line for me is not buying into the idea that &#8216;it can&#8217;t be done&#8217;.  That is not what makes this country different, or what has worked for us in the past.  The idea is to find a way it can work, and make it happen.  The alternate is that we pilots disappear and general aviation becomes extinct.  That is not the future I envision or wish to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard McKillen</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=2844&#038;cpage=1#comment-47755</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard McKillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce, etal:

This is a refreshing set of observations and responses quite apart from the type I usually see from AOPA members and contributors. I suspected AOPA was a refuge for trickle-down economic dead enders, fat cats who forgot their wealth was acquired under a political, legal and economic system that allowed them to prosper, or, to describe them in other words, arrogant sociopaths who refuse to acknowledge what Adam Smith called, “the invisible hand” of the market.

Not only has the cost of aircraft outstripped inflation, but wages have remained stagnant relative to inflation for that same thirty-year period Bruce mentioned (actually even longer), so most Americans, save for a select few, now have less buying power than they used to. 

Middle class and working class Americans are now saddled with a tax code that offers ridiculous loopholes for corporations and the wealthy (witness Ann Romney&#039;s $77,000.00 deduction for dressage for her horse). The affluent have purchased the offices and the votes of far too many politicians, who introduce legislation crafted by lobbyists, also the puppets of the affluent. The result: tax codes and laws that indulge the affluent to a degree that makes the U.S. the laughing stock of the world. Plutocracy, ladies and gentlemen.

Building more affordable aircraft is a no-brainer goal, but the FAA, industry leaders, AOPA, and all Americans connected to aviation, have to recognize that a government and an economy that only works to benefit a select few is never going to witness a rebirth of private aviation, and will never see domestic aircraft manufacturing rise above the status of a boutique industry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, etal:</p>
<p>This is a refreshing set of observations and responses quite apart from the type I usually see from AOPA members and contributors. I suspected AOPA was a refuge for trickle-down economic dead enders, fat cats who forgot their wealth was acquired under a political, legal and economic system that allowed them to prosper, or, to describe them in other words, arrogant sociopaths who refuse to acknowledge what Adam Smith called, “the invisible hand” of the market.</p>
<p>Not only has the cost of aircraft outstripped inflation, but wages have remained stagnant relative to inflation for that same thirty-year period Bruce mentioned (actually even longer), so most Americans, save for a select few, now have less buying power than they used to. </p>
<p>Middle class and working class Americans are now saddled with a tax code that offers ridiculous loopholes for corporations and the wealthy (witness Ann Romney&#8217;s $77,000.00 deduction for dressage for her horse). The affluent have purchased the offices and the votes of far too many politicians, who introduce legislation crafted by lobbyists, also the puppets of the affluent. The result: tax codes and laws that indulge the affluent to a degree that makes the U.S. the laughing stock of the world. Plutocracy, ladies and gentlemen.</p>
<p>Building more affordable aircraft is a no-brainer goal, but the FAA, industry leaders, AOPA, and all Americans connected to aviation, have to recognize that a government and an economy that only works to benefit a select few is never going to witness a rebirth of private aviation, and will never see domestic aircraft manufacturing rise above the status of a boutique industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy F</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=2844&#038;cpage=1#comment-47754</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To expand on Charles Seitz&#039; comment, regulations today assume mass markets.  AOPA needs to identify a regulatory model for small markets, and then INSIST that our regulators follow it.  Frankly, I am losing faith in AOPA to fight for us.  I see way too much acquiescence based on the &quot;lesser evil&quot; theory.

If we in the light aircraft pilot community cannot win some big battles soon, middle-class GA will die.  That&#039;s because when the boomers stop flying, it is all over.  Look at the photos of any aviation gathering.  It&#039;s almost all grey hair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To expand on Charles Seitz&#8217; comment, regulations today assume mass markets.  AOPA needs to identify a regulatory model for small markets, and then INSIST that our regulators follow it.  Frankly, I am losing faith in AOPA to fight for us.  I see way too much acquiescence based on the &#8220;lesser evil&#8221; theory.</p>
<p>If we in the light aircraft pilot community cannot win some big battles soon, middle-class GA will die.  That&#8217;s because when the boomers stop flying, it is all over.  Look at the photos of any aviation gathering.  It&#8217;s almost all grey hair.</p>
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		<title>By: Kess Blaswich</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=2844&#038;cpage=1#comment-47753</link>
		<dc:creator>Kess Blaswich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup, I have to agree. The reason I fly old Cessna&#039;s and home-made experimental light sport airplanes is the sheer cost. And i don&#039;t see the process of building airplanes overseas making them any cheaper. Go price a new Cessna 162 Skycatcher, or any of the European slick Rotax 912 powered planes. Also the engines of these planes are expensive, as the price of a new Rotax can equal that of a Lycoming or Continental. Planes have always been expensive releative to incomes, but todays prices are incredibily disproportionate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I have to agree. The reason I fly old Cessna&#8217;s and home-made experimental light sport airplanes is the sheer cost. And i don&#8217;t see the process of building airplanes overseas making them any cheaper. Go price a new Cessna 162 Skycatcher, or any of the European slick Rotax 912 powered planes. Also the engines of these planes are expensive, as the price of a new Rotax can equal that of a Lycoming or Continental. Planes have always been expensive releative to incomes, but todays prices are incredibily disproportionate.</p>
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