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		<title>By: sUn62o</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=208&#038;cpage=1#comment-50152</link>
		<dc:creator>sUn62o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really    glad  to locate this  web site on bing, just what I was seeking  for : D  as properly  saved to favorites . 339647]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really    glad  to locate this  web site on bing, just what I was seeking  for : D  as properly  saved to favorites . 339647</p>
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		<title>By: Oswaldo Minerva</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=208&#038;cpage=1#comment-28267</link>
		<dc:creator>Oswaldo Minerva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Impressive webpage. My colleagues and I were just talking about this the other night. Also your blog looks good on my old palm treo. And thats rare. Nice work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impressive webpage. My colleagues and I were just talking about this the other night. Also your blog looks good on my old palm treo. And thats rare. Nice work.</p>
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		<title>By: David Heberling</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=208&#038;cpage=1#comment-25153</link>
		<dc:creator>David Heberling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember that accident well.  I even flew with an F/O who had flown that particular Saratoga.  It is as you said, Bruce, an accident that did not have to happen (despite what a conspiracy theorist says above).  The airplane was very well equipped with a wonderful autopilot.  Besides disorientation, &quot;get-there-itis&quot; was definitely a factor.  You could probably throw in fatigue for good measure.  There were so many options which would have prevented this accident from happening.

He left a lot later than originally planned, and worked a full day at the office before launching for the Vineyard.  When he lost visual reference, he did not make a 180 to return to the well lighted coastline.  He obviously did not know how to operate the autopilot.  If he had had that engaged, the spiral would not have happened.  As it was, it can be assumed that he was hand flying the airplane at the same time he was trying to look up frequencies and airways.

You would think that after he recovered from the first spiral, that he would have scared himself silly and turned around.  However, undeterred, he pressed on and entered the fatal spiral moments later.  This is such a classic VFR into IFR accident.  It is loaded with lessons for all of us on what not to do should we encounter similar conditions.  The sad truth is that if he had returned to the coast and spent the night, he could have left early enough in the morning to arrive safely for the wedding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember that accident well.  I even flew with an F/O who had flown that particular Saratoga.  It is as you said, Bruce, an accident that did not have to happen (despite what a conspiracy theorist says above).  The airplane was very well equipped with a wonderful autopilot.  Besides disorientation, &#8220;get-there-itis&#8221; was definitely a factor.  You could probably throw in fatigue for good measure.  There were so many options which would have prevented this accident from happening.</p>
<p>He left a lot later than originally planned, and worked a full day at the office before launching for the Vineyard.  When he lost visual reference, he did not make a 180 to return to the well lighted coastline.  He obviously did not know how to operate the autopilot.  If he had had that engaged, the spiral would not have happened.  As it was, it can be assumed that he was hand flying the airplane at the same time he was trying to look up frequencies and airways.</p>
<p>You would think that after he recovered from the first spiral, that he would have scared himself silly and turned around.  However, undeterred, he pressed on and entered the fatal spiral moments later.  This is such a classic VFR into IFR accident.  It is loaded with lessons for all of us on what not to do should we encounter similar conditions.  The sad truth is that if he had returned to the coast and spent the night, he could have left early enough in the morning to arrive safely for the wedding.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Foster</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=208&#038;cpage=1#comment-23837</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, this person confirmed that the weather in MARTHA&#039;S VINEYARD the evening of July 16 was generally excellent.
 
This person was asked to &quot;take a look&quot; at something--an &quot;internal&quot; report by/from the FAA on the circumstances of that event. In particular this report was concerned with the CONDITION of the aircraft. 

First, the plane in question flown by Mr. John Kennedy was outfitted with every possible bell and whistle available; as well as the most up-to-date communications devices, emergency beacons, autopilot, instruments, gauges, AND Global Positioning technology. 

Said FAA report is in MAJOR contradiction to the tone and content of the PUBLICLY--and belatedly--released NTSB report. Said FAA report indicates that the aircraft was subjected to a MASSIVE electromagnetic &quot;event&quot; of some kind or other. EVERY SINGLE lightbulb in the aircraft was blown; filaments burned out. ALL integrated circuitry and communications devices were MELTED, fused, fried and toasted in every sense of the word. The voice recorder system was in fact non-functional anyway. Kennedy had forgotten to put in a 9-volt battery. Chalk one SMALL point up to the &quot;operator error&quot; crowd. Electronic sensing units in fuel and engine areas were also sizzled. 

Is this &quot;report&quot; genuine? The real thing? I have no idea, but the person I talked with who saw and held it believes it to be. This person has been a near-perfect source for me in the past.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, this person confirmed that the weather in MARTHA&#8217;S VINEYARD the evening of July 16 was generally excellent.</p>
<p>This person was asked to &#8220;take a look&#8221; at something&#8211;an &#8220;internal&#8221; report by/from the FAA on the circumstances of that event. In particular this report was concerned with the CONDITION of the aircraft. </p>
<p>First, the plane in question flown by Mr. John Kennedy was outfitted with every possible bell and whistle available; as well as the most up-to-date communications devices, emergency beacons, autopilot, instruments, gauges, AND Global Positioning technology. </p>
<p>Said FAA report is in MAJOR contradiction to the tone and content of the PUBLICLY&#8211;and belatedly&#8211;released NTSB report. Said FAA report indicates that the aircraft was subjected to a MASSIVE electromagnetic &#8220;event&#8221; of some kind or other. EVERY SINGLE lightbulb in the aircraft was blown; filaments burned out. ALL integrated circuitry and communications devices were MELTED, fused, fried and toasted in every sense of the word. The voice recorder system was in fact non-functional anyway. Kennedy had forgotten to put in a 9-volt battery. Chalk one SMALL point up to the &#8220;operator error&#8221; crowd. Electronic sensing units in fuel and engine areas were also sizzled. </p>
<p>Is this &#8220;report&#8221; genuine? The real thing? I have no idea, but the person I talked with who saw and held it believes it to be. This person has been a near-perfect source for me in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: copilot</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=208&#038;cpage=1#comment-23672</link>
		<dc:creator>copilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A significant number of commercial accidents are terrorism &quot;the art of the plane crash&quot;. Google &quot;Egyptair 990 + Egyptian Military Officers&quot; and you will find there were 33 aboard EA 990, including Generals - returning from a training exercise in the US. What a target!

JFK jr. was going to run for the Senate in 2000 against Hillary according to NBC Nightline before the accident. Many think he would be President today had he lived.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A significant number of commercial accidents are terrorism &#8220;the art of the plane crash&#8221;. Google &#8220;Egyptair 990 + Egyptian Military Officers&#8221; and you will find there were 33 aboard EA 990, including Generals &#8211; returning from a training exercise in the US. What a target!</p>
<p>JFK jr. was going to run for the Senate in 2000 against Hillary according to NBC Nightline before the accident. Many think he would be President today had he lived.</p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=208&#038;cpage=1#comment-23669</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[senior international  airline pilot accusing the mosad in jfk accident must be a sick anti-semite or he is plain crazey --and should be tested whrther he is qualified to operate a commercial aircraft]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>senior international  airline pilot accusing the mosad in jfk accident must be a sick anti-semite or he is plain crazey &#8211;and should be tested whrther he is qualified to operate a commercial aircraft</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=208&#038;cpage=1#comment-23622</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can sum this up fast, Just think, there are still a lot fo edit like him up there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can sum this up fast, Just think, there are still a lot fo edit like him up there.</p>
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		<title>By: William Olsen</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=208&#038;cpage=1#comment-23418</link>
		<dc:creator>William Olsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We now know that John Kennedy was not permitted to fly due to A) a broken bone in the foot or ankle, B) the pain medication he was taking for said foot, and C) he had about three hours sleep the previous night.  He was also very distraght over his business difficulties.  He flew anyway and refused the offer of a flight instructor he knew well to fly along.  
I was also amazed that his recovered body was cremated within a few hours of it&#039;s discovery; something not allowed by law in any state I am aware of.  Any accidental death prohibits cremation for at least 48 hours in most states.  But the law does not apply to royalty.  This we forget.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We now know that John Kennedy was not permitted to fly due to A) a broken bone in the foot or ankle, B) the pain medication he was taking for said foot, and C) he had about three hours sleep the previous night.  He was also very distraght over his business difficulties.  He flew anyway and refused the offer of a flight instructor he knew well to fly along.<br />
I was also amazed that his recovered body was cremated within a few hours of it&#8217;s discovery; something not allowed by law in any state I am aware of.  Any accidental death prohibits cremation for at least 48 hours in most states.  But the law does not apply to royalty.  This we forget.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nolan</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=208&#038;cpage=1#comment-23381</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THere is something that might be added to this that should give us food for thought . According to people at Essex who knew John, He was scheduled to leave at 6PM --his wife arrived at 7PM and advised that they had to wait for her sister who arrived at 7:45 pm. As you may be aware it was only about an hour and a half flight and leaving at 6PM would have had him at destination in plenty of daylight. I would think this frustration and a family situationwhich was not conducive to pleasant cabin attitude I think might have added a lot to the negative impact that transpired. No one really knows what went on in that plane but as the rules say--when the negatives outweighted the positives etc--- and unfortunately they all paid with their lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THere is something that might be added to this that should give us food for thought . According to people at Essex who knew John, He was scheduled to leave at 6PM &#8211;his wife arrived at 7PM and advised that they had to wait for her sister who arrived at 7:45 pm. As you may be aware it was only about an hour and a half flight and leaving at 6PM would have had him at destination in plenty of daylight. I would think this frustration and a family situationwhich was not conducive to pleasant cabin attitude I think might have added a lot to the negative impact that transpired. No one really knows what went on in that plane but as the rules say&#8211;when the negatives outweighted the positives etc&#8212; and unfortunately they all paid with their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse G. Eschenheimer</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=208&#038;cpage=1#comment-23377</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse G. Eschenheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When in the NY neck of the woods and heading to the Vineyard at night, I fly over the airports- Westchester-Bridgeport-New Haven-Groton-Westerly-Newport-and then if it looks good-MVY. It&#039;s only a little more gas and one night it saved my butt. I landed with my best friend in Groton and rented a car when we heard that a forecast was &quot;revised&quot; and Providence was reporting 1/4 with dense fog getting thicker.It was bad driving over the Newport Bridge! Take a pilot friend with you to be safe and have more fun, and it&#039;s better to get the plane the next day in one piece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When in the NY neck of the woods and heading to the Vineyard at night, I fly over the airports- Westchester-Bridgeport-New Haven-Groton-Westerly-Newport-and then if it looks good-MVY. It&#8217;s only a little more gas and one night it saved my butt. I landed with my best friend in Groton and rented a car when we heard that a forecast was &#8220;revised&#8221; and Providence was reporting 1/4 with dense fog getting thicker.It was bad driving over the Newport Bridge! Take a pilot friend with you to be safe and have more fun, and it&#8217;s better to get the plane the next day in one piece.</p>
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