Comments on: Gas Geo Map

By: Don D

Don D — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:37:40 +0000

There seems to be a disproportionate and greater number of crashes east of the Mississippi. Is this true and if so is there a plausable reason for this?

By: John @ Apex/WA05

John @ Apex/WA05 — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:13:41 +0000

On this “Fuel-management accidents”, is it broken down to Fuel Exhaustion & Missmanagement of the fuel on board..Still had fuel but forces to land.
I had read years ago that PIC that fuel there own/Aircraft they are flying have a much less Forced Landing rate than those who do not fuel their plane.
Can you verify that ??

P.S. I am a self-fueler, even in the state of Oregon where Federal rule superceeds the State’s on ‘Pump-it-your-self’. I want to see the fuel level & know that my fuel caps are on correctly (had my new paint job fogged by fueler that did not cap the C-P side correctly).

By: Robert Greenberg

Robert Greenberg — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:38:25 +0000

Nice depiction of the data…..but it may not represent the root cause of the problem. Remember Abraham Wald’s classic work on survivability of WWII airplanes….and the non-intuitive solution. For example, are the locations in the map the departure, destination, or crash? And since it is unlikely the plane’s fault…what of the pilots? Their age, experience, stressors, etc. A complicated onion, indeed. And the worst of it is that it seems so simple to solve.

Is there any way to download the data in a batch run (e.g., CSV)? (I can only get very limited data on a screen by screen basis.)

We’ll keep scratching at the problem.

By: Bruce

Bruce — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:54:16 +0000

Doug….

Thanks for the note. Some of these are prelims and there may be changes. In others, there are some coding errors. ASF is in discussion with NTSB to tighten up both our own “filtering” and theirs.

By: Doug McDougall

Doug McDougall — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:48:59 +0000

Hi,

Just looking at the ASF Geomap and noted what I believe is an error: Accident #LAX08LA064, which occurred near Wilcox, Az., does not appear to be due to fuel exhaustion.