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		<title>By: Student Pilot</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1156&#038;cpage=1#comment-29859</link>
		<dc:creator>Student Pilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The pilot involved was friends with the pilot that got me involved with GA. Fortunately, my friend is very safety oriented, and it rubbed off on me as well. In the above IMHO some somewhat irrelevant information is missing. First of all, English was not the pilots primary language, so IMO some apparent panic was a heavy accent. The student pilot mentioned, was a glider pilot. I was told that There was NO GPS unit on the plane. This was a Glider Club outing, and 2 of the passengers were not involved with the Club. Most of the operations the Pilot was experienced with, was Glider towing in an uncontrolled airport. 
This info is second hand.

I analyzed this tragedy in my head over and over again since it happened and could not understand it. Until one day with out warning it was a bad day for me to fly. One little mistake, and some stress compounded, in hind sight I noticed that my focus changed, and I could not even communicate with the ATC coherently. Fortunately for me, this was one of the days when my instructor was with me.

Its obvious that the pilot made some huge mistakes to get into IMC. But I really think that once the pilot made contact with ATC, there was very little that could be done to change the outcome IMHO. The pilots responses sounded very much like mine did when I had a bad day. And the result was not due to his experience, but state of mind.
IMHO I think the &quot;Tunnel Vision&quot; also should be addressed, ways to recognize it, and ways to snap out of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pilot involved was friends with the pilot that got me involved with GA. Fortunately, my friend is very safety oriented, and it rubbed off on me as well. In the above IMHO some somewhat irrelevant information is missing. First of all, English was not the pilots primary language, so IMO some apparent panic was a heavy accent. The student pilot mentioned, was a glider pilot. I was told that There was NO GPS unit on the plane. This was a Glider Club outing, and 2 of the passengers were not involved with the Club. Most of the operations the Pilot was experienced with, was Glider towing in an uncontrolled airport.<br />
This info is second hand.</p>
<p>I analyzed this tragedy in my head over and over again since it happened and could not understand it. Until one day with out warning it was a bad day for me to fly. One little mistake, and some stress compounded, in hind sight I noticed that my focus changed, and I could not even communicate with the ATC coherently. Fortunately for me, this was one of the days when my instructor was with me.</p>
<p>Its obvious that the pilot made some huge mistakes to get into IMC. But I really think that once the pilot made contact with ATC, there was very little that could be done to change the outcome IMHO. The pilots responses sounded very much like mine did when I had a bad day. And the result was not due to his experience, but state of mind.<br />
IMHO I think the &#8220;Tunnel Vision&#8221; also should be addressed, ways to recognize it, and ways to snap out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Arnold L. Goldman</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1156&#038;cpage=1#comment-29843</link>
		<dc:creator>Arnold L. Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great video! Shows the extreme in lack of judgment in a variety of ways. One interesting aspect not mentioned is the video re-enactment airplane appeared to have a Garmin 530 in the panel. Did the accident airplane? If so, that tool might have helped maintain the situational awareness necessary to find the airport or any airport. I can only assume the accident airplane did not have that or similar equipment. Which begs the question: If you have 2200 hours and you do not know how to use all the equipment in your airplane, why not? Also, with 2200 hours, and a multi-rating, why no instrument rating? Its just not that hard to do, especially when you already have good aviate, navigate, communicate skills.......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great video! Shows the extreme in lack of judgment in a variety of ways. One interesting aspect not mentioned is the video re-enactment airplane appeared to have a Garmin 530 in the panel. Did the accident airplane? If so, that tool might have helped maintain the situational awareness necessary to find the airport or any airport. I can only assume the accident airplane did not have that or similar equipment. Which begs the question: If you have 2200 hours and you do not know how to use all the equipment in your airplane, why not? Also, with 2200 hours, and a multi-rating, why no instrument rating? Its just not that hard to do, especially when you already have good aviate, navigate, communicate skills&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: chukker</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1156&#038;cpage=1#comment-29842</link>
		<dc:creator>chukker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know there is no evidence to support my theory, but while viewing the video I wondered if the pilot wasn&#039;t having a heart attack or became physically incapacitated in some way - aside from his abject fear.  Some of his radio responses sounded like he was out of breath and somewhat dazed, then he doesn&#039;t respond at all.  Towards the end, the plane begins to climb and still no response; the climbing part seemed odd to me.  If that plane had five others onboard, including someone in the righ seat, why didn&#039;t anyone else respond to the ATC&#039;s?  This is a strange situation that leaves one with more questions than answers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know there is no evidence to support my theory, but while viewing the video I wondered if the pilot wasn&#8217;t having a heart attack or became physically incapacitated in some way &#8211; aside from his abject fear.  Some of his radio responses sounded like he was out of breath and somewhat dazed, then he doesn&#8217;t respond at all.  Towards the end, the plane begins to climb and still no response; the climbing part seemed odd to me.  If that plane had five others onboard, including someone in the righ seat, why didn&#8217;t anyone else respond to the ATC&#8217;s?  This is a strange situation that leaves one with more questions than answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin S.</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1156&#038;cpage=1#comment-29838</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another great product by ASF.  After watching this I am going to make it part of my ground school syllabus.  It&#039;s just chilling when you sit back and watch how many times this person was given a option or a way out...I wonder how many my students can find.

There has been a lot of great discussion about continued VFR into IMC and the role that competence plays in the safety of a pilot, but I will close by echoing what Melinda has said above: no certificate or license is a &quot;magic bullet&quot; or &quot;get our of free jail card&quot;.  As a flight instructor I have had the opportunity to fly with a wide variety of pilots, all with varying levels or experience and capability, but nothing scares me more than an instrument rated pilot who has everything but a sense of his or her own limitations.  One such flight comes to mind when in an attempt to reduce my already instrument rated student&#039;s reliance on auto-pilot I challenged them to fly a 1 hour cross country in MVFR to occasional IFR conditions.  After approx. 5 seconds of hitting the first cloud on departure I found myself starting at a 45 degree bank, dealing with a very confused departure controller and last but not least a clueless 1500 hr instrument rated student.  

I&#039;ve since deployed with the military and have not heard from this individual since leaving, but I often ask and wonder about that person.

Every license is simply a license to learn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great product by ASF.  After watching this I am going to make it part of my ground school syllabus.  It&#8217;s just chilling when you sit back and watch how many times this person was given a option or a way out&#8230;I wonder how many my students can find.</p>
<p>There has been a lot of great discussion about continued VFR into IMC and the role that competence plays in the safety of a pilot, but I will close by echoing what Melinda has said above: no certificate or license is a &#8220;magic bullet&#8221; or &#8220;get our of free jail card&#8221;.  As a flight instructor I have had the opportunity to fly with a wide variety of pilots, all with varying levels or experience and capability, but nothing scares me more than an instrument rated pilot who has everything but a sense of his or her own limitations.  One such flight comes to mind when in an attempt to reduce my already instrument rated student&#8217;s reliance on auto-pilot I challenged them to fly a 1 hour cross country in MVFR to occasional IFR conditions.  After approx. 5 seconds of hitting the first cloud on departure I found myself starting at a 45 degree bank, dealing with a very confused departure controller and last but not least a clueless 1500 hr instrument rated student.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve since deployed with the military and have not heard from this individual since leaving, but I often ask and wonder about that person.</p>
<p>Every license is simply a license to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1156&#038;cpage=1#comment-29836</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A tragedy for those passengers who trusted this pilot and a disgrace to our GA community.  I can only imagine how a non-pilot would react to this story.  &quot;If a 2000+ hour pilot can not be trusted with the lives of innocent passengers, who can be trusted?...... Where are the rules to stop more pilots from doing the same? ... Why are GA pilots not regulated more heavily?....etc.&quot;  

I think it is pointless to try and apply our sensible, PRM oriented logic to understaning what this pilot was thinking,  It is safe to say he propably wasn&#039;t a frequent visitor to the ASF website.  So what can we do to prevent this kind of thing?  
1) Practice practical risk management on the ground and in the air,
2) Take a professional attitude towards our flying and set a good example for our fellow pilots and the non-flying public, 
3)Speak up.. if you see a fellow pilot putting themselves or other at risk say something. If they disregard your warning, say something to the passengers and let them know they are at risk.

There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tragedy for those passengers who trusted this pilot and a disgrace to our GA community.  I can only imagine how a non-pilot would react to this story.  &#8220;If a 2000+ hour pilot can not be trusted with the lives of innocent passengers, who can be trusted?&#8230;&#8230; Where are the rules to stop more pilots from doing the same? &#8230; Why are GA pilots not regulated more heavily?&#8230;.etc.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I think it is pointless to try and apply our sensible, PRM oriented logic to understaning what this pilot was thinking,  It is safe to say he propably wasn&#8217;t a frequent visitor to the ASF website.  So what can we do to prevent this kind of thing?<br />
1) Practice practical risk management on the ground and in the air,<br />
2) Take a professional attitude towards our flying and set a good example for our fellow pilots and the non-flying public,<br />
3)Speak up.. if you see a fellow pilot putting themselves or other at risk say something. If they disregard your warning, say something to the passengers and let them know they are at risk.</p>
<p>There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Landsberg</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1156&#038;cpage=1#comment-29835</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Landsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you all for some excellent commentary! This week&#039;s blog ( Thursday) continues the thread that Melinda has opened up. She has more eloquently stated my saying of &quot; What part of &quot;cloud&quot; don&#039;t you understand?&quot; 

Some of us seemed to be wired as risk takers - more to come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for some excellent commentary! This week&#8217;s blog ( Thursday) continues the thread that Melinda has opened up. She has more eloquently stated my saying of &#8221; What part of &#8220;cloud&#8221; don&#8217;t you understand?&#8221; </p>
<p>Some of us seemed to be wired as risk takers &#8211; more to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1156&#038;cpage=1#comment-29832</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A recurring message in these posts is &quot;get an instrument rating and you won&#039;t end up like this pilot.&quot; I disagree. With all due respect to instrument pilots--and I plan to join your ranks one day--an instrument rating is not the &quot;magic bullet&quot; that saves the day. Of the 5 pilots I personally knew who died by flying VFR into IMC, 3 had instrument ratings and 1 was close to taking his instrument checkride. They ranged in experience from thousands of hours to newly-minted. They didn&#039;t lack education or piloting skills. They lacked good judgment--at least on one flight, which happened to be their last flight.

I have flown VFR for 12 years all over the country, landing in 19 states, in a small single-engine aircraft with no weather radar. I have never, ever, not even ONCE, gotten myself into a situation where I needed instrument skills or ATC assistance. You check the weather when you&#039;re on the ground and you look out the window when you&#039;re in the sky. &quot;Sky&#039;s navy blue? Get a clue. Land.&quot; &quot;Can&#039;t see through it? Don&#039;t fly to it. Land.&quot; It isn&#039;t rocket science.

As for Mr. Carroll&#039;s excellent question, &quot;Do you think, if he had made it to the airport and every one had survived, he would have done the same thing over again?&quot; YES! Taking off over gross, pushing on into deteriorating weather, and running low on fuel suggest a long-term pattern of unacceptable risk-taking, not a momentary lapse of good judgment. Pilots who survive through sheer luck believe it&#039;s their &quot;skill&quot; until their luck runs out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recurring message in these posts is &#8220;get an instrument rating and you won&#8217;t end up like this pilot.&#8221; I disagree. With all due respect to instrument pilots&#8211;and I plan to join your ranks one day&#8211;an instrument rating is not the &#8220;magic bullet&#8221; that saves the day. Of the 5 pilots I personally knew who died by flying VFR into IMC, 3 had instrument ratings and 1 was close to taking his instrument checkride. They ranged in experience from thousands of hours to newly-minted. They didn&#8217;t lack education or piloting skills. They lacked good judgment&#8211;at least on one flight, which happened to be their last flight.</p>
<p>I have flown VFR for 12 years all over the country, landing in 19 states, in a small single-engine aircraft with no weather radar. I have never, ever, not even ONCE, gotten myself into a situation where I needed instrument skills or ATC assistance. You check the weather when you&#8217;re on the ground and you look out the window when you&#8217;re in the sky. &#8220;Sky&#8217;s navy blue? Get a clue. Land.&#8221; &#8220;Can&#8217;t see through it? Don&#8217;t fly to it. Land.&#8221; It isn&#8217;t rocket science.</p>
<p>As for Mr. Carroll&#8217;s excellent question, &#8220;Do you think, if he had made it to the airport and every one had survived, he would have done the same thing over again?&#8221; YES! Taking off over gross, pushing on into deteriorating weather, and running low on fuel suggest a long-term pattern of unacceptable risk-taking, not a momentary lapse of good judgment. Pilots who survive through sheer luck believe it&#8217;s their &#8220;skill&#8221; until their luck runs out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark C</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1156&#038;cpage=1#comment-29827</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to Honza, requiring 2 - 3 times more instrument training would be almost useless - unless you maintain currency, you are not going to be successful in an emergency situation. You can hear it in this pilot&#039;s voice when he answers &quot;yes&quot; to if he is instrument capable. Yes, I have instruments, yes, I have training, yes, I should be able to do this, but no, I haven&#039;t actually ever done it nor have I practiced it recently but since I have no other options, I&#039;ll give it my best shot and hope it works. 

You cannot legislate nor enforce good decision making. For those who cry for &quot;someone&quot; to &quot;do something&quot;, the closest we could come, is to mandate the filing of a VFR flight plan for every flight. Do you really want that? And how&#039;s that working out in China? We have to act responsibly ourselves, and question others when they don&#039;t. I&#039;m a low time student pilot, and I&#039;m not afraid to question a guy who has done something unsafe or even inconsiderate. It doesn&#039;t have to be confrontational, just asking why or pointing out that something doesn&#039;t seem quite right will get them thinking about it, and for most, that will help. Then, there will always be those few who are beyond educating, and they will continue to provide material for lessons such as this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Honza, requiring 2 &#8211; 3 times more instrument training would be almost useless &#8211; unless you maintain currency, you are not going to be successful in an emergency situation. You can hear it in this pilot&#8217;s voice when he answers &#8220;yes&#8221; to if he is instrument capable. Yes, I have instruments, yes, I have training, yes, I should be able to do this, but no, I haven&#8217;t actually ever done it nor have I practiced it recently but since I have no other options, I&#8217;ll give it my best shot and hope it works. </p>
<p>You cannot legislate nor enforce good decision making. For those who cry for &#8220;someone&#8221; to &#8220;do something&#8221;, the closest we could come, is to mandate the filing of a VFR flight plan for every flight. Do you really want that? And how&#8217;s that working out in China? We have to act responsibly ourselves, and question others when they don&#8217;t. I&#8217;m a low time student pilot, and I&#8217;m not afraid to question a guy who has done something unsafe or even inconsiderate. It doesn&#8217;t have to be confrontational, just asking why or pointing out that something doesn&#8217;t seem quite right will get them thinking about it, and for most, that will help. Then, there will always be those few who are beyond educating, and they will continue to provide material for lessons such as this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have read through only half of the comments so far, but felt I needed to make a comment. I have listened to this account two times so far, once at my office and again at my house. Both times tears swelled just a bit in my eyes as I listened to the pilot responding to the controller.

First of all, the controller did not ask the pilot if he was instrument rated and the pilot did not admit that he was. The controller asked if he was capable of instrument flight and the pilot said yes. The controller was smart in asking the question that way. I believe his training helped him realize that he need not intimidate the pilot by asking if he was rated. He just wanted to get a response related to his competency level. That&#039;s really all he could do. The controller did not want to make a bad situation even worse.

We are listening to a man&#039;s last words before he dies. I think a little more compassion is in order from some of the commenters. True, he made mistakes that took sever peoples lives. Do you think, if he had made it to the airport and every one had survived, that he would have done the same thing over again? I don&#039;t think so.

We have all done incredibly stupid things and learned from them. At least I know I have. Some of the commenters need to watch and listen again. A few need a &quot;reality check.&quot; This wasn&#039;t fiction. If looking/listening to this convinces one additional pilot to make the right decision, based on what he has learned here, then AOPA has done the right thing. BTW, the person responsible for putting this video together did a great job!

In case you are wondering, I am a VFR pilot with just over 1,400 hours. I have owned three planes and have been flying for 32 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read through only half of the comments so far, but felt I needed to make a comment. I have listened to this account two times so far, once at my office and again at my house. Both times tears swelled just a bit in my eyes as I listened to the pilot responding to the controller.</p>
<p>First of all, the controller did not ask the pilot if he was instrument rated and the pilot did not admit that he was. The controller asked if he was capable of instrument flight and the pilot said yes. The controller was smart in asking the question that way. I believe his training helped him realize that he need not intimidate the pilot by asking if he was rated. He just wanted to get a response related to his competency level. That&#8217;s really all he could do. The controller did not want to make a bad situation even worse.</p>
<p>We are listening to a man&#8217;s last words before he dies. I think a little more compassion is in order from some of the commenters. True, he made mistakes that took sever peoples lives. Do you think, if he had made it to the airport and every one had survived, that he would have done the same thing over again? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>We have all done incredibly stupid things and learned from them. At least I know I have. Some of the commenters need to watch and listen again. A few need a &#8220;reality check.&#8221; This wasn&#8217;t fiction. If looking/listening to this convinces one additional pilot to make the right decision, based on what he has learned here, then AOPA has done the right thing. BTW, the person responsible for putting this video together did a great job!</p>
<p>In case you are wondering, I am a VFR pilot with just over 1,400 hours. I have owned three planes and have been flying for 32 years.</p>
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		<title>By: rickr</title>
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		<dc:creator>rickr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did this plane not have a autopilot? if so he would be at home so would have jfk jr such a great tool in ifr conditions!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did this plane not have a autopilot? if so he would be at home so would have jfk jr such a great tool in ifr conditions!!</p>
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