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		<title>By: Sam Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1081&#038;cpage=1#comment-29687</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 01:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its understandable for us all to be angry as we have empowered the political system to do what it has done (subsidize us to the point our freedom has been usurped). Anger accomplishes nothing. We the people,( not AOPA,) are responsible to dis-empower the monster we have created. Until then, file IFR or flight following. Vote for term limits, re-empower the people and let us, the people be responsible for our own stuff. The government was only intended to give us freedom and equal opportunity, not be our nanny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its understandable for us all to be angry as we have empowered the political system to do what it has done (subsidize us to the point our freedom has been usurped). Anger accomplishes nothing. We the people,( not AOPA,) are responsible to dis-empower the monster we have created. Until then, file IFR or flight following. Vote for term limits, re-empower the people and let us, the people be responsible for our own stuff. The government was only intended to give us freedom and equal opportunity, not be our nanny.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon J.</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1081&#038;cpage=1#comment-29681</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 04:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, in his post, used another word that grates:  &quot;privilege&quot;.

As Kevin Roll said, the rights of U.S. citizens are not listed in the founding documents.  Rather, it is the government&#039;s rights and powers that are enumerated.  Any power other than what is specifically listed is not authorized for the government.

Privileges are granted, as by a King or other royalty.  Flying is not a privilege, it is a regulated right.  Any citizen who can demonstrate compliance with pilot regulations has the RIGHT to fly.

Yes, I know the FAA uses the word privilege.  That doesn&#039;t make it so.  And AOPA should push to stop the use of that word.  Certainly we pilot citizens should not be duped into using it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, in his post, used another word that grates:  &#8220;privilege&#8221;.</p>
<p>As Kevin Roll said, the rights of U.S. citizens are not listed in the founding documents.  Rather, it is the government&#8217;s rights and powers that are enumerated.  Any power other than what is specifically listed is not authorized for the government.</p>
<p>Privileges are granted, as by a King or other royalty.  Flying is not a privilege, it is a regulated right.  Any citizen who can demonstrate compliance with pilot regulations has the RIGHT to fly.</p>
<p>Yes, I know the FAA uses the word privilege.  That doesn&#8217;t make it so.  And AOPA should push to stop the use of that word.  Certainly we pilot citizens should not be duped into using it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob H.</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1081&#038;cpage=1#comment-29674</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So... the article next week should go back to why there are fewer GA pilots every day?

We&#039;re living catch-22 on a daily basis.  This goes beyond aviation, and no amount of imploring that Americans divest their innate sense of personal freedom and follow security mandates is going to change it - sorry to say. In fact, if we look  to child psychology, it&#039;s easy to  understand why:

- Get a briefing!
- Take your shoes off!
- No more than 3oz of liquids!
- Turn off anything with an on/off sswitch until we reach 10,000 feet!
- Don&#039;t put thumb drives in classified computer systems!

These are all the adult equvalent of 

&quot;Don&#039;t touch that (hot stove).&quot;

and 

&quot;No, you can&#039;t have a cookie (from that jar on the edge of the counter.)&quot;

In conclusion, everything we need to know about security mandated behavior ... we learned in kindergarten. This model is never going to work, and the incentive to fix it is constrained by the intransigence of financial and legal realities.  

Classify the president&#039;s location and stop putting the burden of securing his position on clueless pilots. That&#039;s a model that would work. Too bad it will never happen.  RIP Joe Heller.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; the article next week should go back to why there are fewer GA pilots every day?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re living catch-22 on a daily basis.  This goes beyond aviation, and no amount of imploring that Americans divest their innate sense of personal freedom and follow security mandates is going to change it &#8211; sorry to say. In fact, if we look  to child psychology, it&#8217;s easy to  understand why:</p>
<p>- Get a briefing!<br />
- Take your shoes off!<br />
- No more than 3oz of liquids!<br />
- Turn off anything with an on/off sswitch until we reach 10,000 feet!<br />
- Don&#8217;t put thumb drives in classified computer systems!</p>
<p>These are all the adult equvalent of </p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t touch that (hot stove).&#8221;</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>&#8220;No, you can&#8217;t have a cookie (from that jar on the edge of the counter.)&#8221;</p>
<p>In conclusion, everything we need to know about security mandated behavior &#8230; we learned in kindergarten. This model is never going to work, and the incentive to fix it is constrained by the intransigence of financial and legal realities.  </p>
<p>Classify the president&#8217;s location and stop putting the burden of securing his position on clueless pilots. That&#8217;s a model that would work. Too bad it will never happen.  RIP Joe Heller.</p>
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		<title>By: John Tichy</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1081&#038;cpage=1#comment-29673</link>
		<dc:creator>John Tichy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Landsberg and the other four Boneheads, Haines, Twombly, Machado, and most of all Schiff are an insult to one&#039;s intelligence.  What a total waste of printed magazine space.  Read their articles and count how many times they say the word &quot;I&quot;.  Who give a you know what about &quot;I&quot;.  AOPA is a very good organization that does many good thing for GA, but they need to S...can those four nitwits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landsberg and the other four Boneheads, Haines, Twombly, Machado, and most of all Schiff are an insult to one&#8217;s intelligence.  What a total waste of printed magazine space.  Read their articles and count how many times they say the word &#8220;I&#8221;.  Who give a you know what about &#8220;I&#8221;.  AOPA is a very good organization that does many good thing for GA, but they need to S&#8230;can those four nitwits.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin A. Roll</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1081&#038;cpage=1#comment-29672</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin A. Roll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel it necessary to correct a major error in Mark&#039;s statement above. No federal or state constitutions guarantee rights of any sort. As free people we are born with the right to take any action imaginable as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. The constitution does not create rights; it protects them by placing specific restrictions on the powers of government. The government possesses only the powers that were specifically delegated to it by the people, and no others.

I don&#039;t want bumblebees in my airspace either, but I recognize that there is no system that will prevent them entirely that will not be too onerous to my own freedom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel it necessary to correct a major error in Mark&#8217;s statement above. No federal or state constitutions guarantee rights of any sort. As free people we are born with the right to take any action imaginable as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. The constitution does not create rights; it protects them by placing specific restrictions on the powers of government. The government possesses only the powers that were specifically delegated to it by the people, and no others.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want bumblebees in my airspace either, but I recognize that there is no system that will prevent them entirely that will not be too onerous to my own freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1081&#038;cpage=1#comment-29670</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 01:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the article nailed it if you can stop letting three little letters distract you.  The point is that, like Bruce, I don&#039;t want any &quot;clueless&quot; persons risking MY privileges (flying, like driving, is not a right guaranteed in any state or federal constitution).  If these people can&#039;t stay out of restricted space on a VFR day that even someone sitting in Colorado, sitting at his desk knew about, what else are they clueless about?  The weather?  Their aircrafts limitations?  Their own?

Regardless of what your opinion is of flight restrictions, temporary or otherwise, we do not, as a group, appear professional, thoughtful, safe or even conscious if any of our members act &quot;clueless&quot;.  Nearly every law or regulation out there is a result of very poor judgement by a few &quot;unelected representatives&quot;.  I CAN NOT condone the acts of these bumble bees, regardless of the conditions by which they were snared.  Justified or not, those restrictions were known if you cared enough about keeping our privileges to check into it.

Regarding restrictions, yes, the justification/implementation/notification needs some serious work, and I like the idea of ATIS/AWOS/ASOS adding the temporary ones in their recordings.  Out west, they pop up for fires more than politicians and for some reason, lighting and arsonists don&#039;t like to announce their intentions in advance.  Go figure.  Perhaps if we reminded the politicians about that association, they may reconsider their &quot;no-notice&quot; trips.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the article nailed it if you can stop letting three little letters distract you.  The point is that, like Bruce, I don&#8217;t want any &#8220;clueless&#8221; persons risking MY privileges (flying, like driving, is not a right guaranteed in any state or federal constitution).  If these people can&#8217;t stay out of restricted space on a VFR day that even someone sitting in Colorado, sitting at his desk knew about, what else are they clueless about?  The weather?  Their aircrafts limitations?  Their own?</p>
<p>Regardless of what your opinion is of flight restrictions, temporary or otherwise, we do not, as a group, appear professional, thoughtful, safe or even conscious if any of our members act &#8220;clueless&#8221;.  Nearly every law or regulation out there is a result of very poor judgement by a few &#8220;unelected representatives&#8221;.  I CAN NOT condone the acts of these bumble bees, regardless of the conditions by which they were snared.  Justified or not, those restrictions were known if you cared enough about keeping our privileges to check into it.</p>
<p>Regarding restrictions, yes, the justification/implementation/notification needs some serious work, and I like the idea of ATIS/AWOS/ASOS adding the temporary ones in their recordings.  Out west, they pop up for fires more than politicians and for some reason, lighting and arsonists don&#8217;t like to announce their intentions in advance.  Go figure.  Perhaps if we reminded the politicians about that association, they may reconsider their &#8220;no-notice&#8221; trips.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1081&#038;cpage=1#comment-29669</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I agree with the article, I would like to add that there are WAY too many TFRs now. It seems everyone in big government gets a TFR these days. Even ex-presidents apparently. This is ridiculous. Where does it end. Pull up the TFR map and look. Other than obvious things like air shows, there are too many things like VIP movement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the article, I would like to add that there are WAY too many TFRs now. It seems everyone in big government gets a TFR these days. Even ex-presidents apparently. This is ridiculous. Where does it end. Pull up the TFR map and look. Other than obvious things like air shows, there are too many things like VIP movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Vockroth</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1081&#038;cpage=1#comment-29667</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Vockroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several years ago I suggested to both AOPA and some  FAA representatives  that all ATIS broadcasts include notifications of any TFRs within 100 nm.  This would cover not only the scheduled TFRs but also the &quot;pop-ups&quot;,  reduce unnecessary calls to FSS, and be far more effective than the current practices.  When I fly VFR I listen to every ATIS along my route just for altimeter settings if nothing else, and recently I heard about the TFR near Wilmington, DE for vice-president Biden&#039;s residence.  This took only a few seconds of an ATIS  tape that had to be made anyway.  Why can&#039;t this be done everywhere?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago I suggested to both AOPA and some  FAA representatives  that all ATIS broadcasts include notifications of any TFRs within 100 nm.  This would cover not only the scheduled TFRs but also the &#8220;pop-ups&#8221;,  reduce unnecessary calls to FSS, and be far more effective than the current practices.  When I fly VFR I listen to every ATIS along my route just for altimeter settings if nothing else, and recently I heard about the TFR near Wilmington, DE for vice-president Biden&#8217;s residence.  This took only a few seconds of an ATIS  tape that had to be made anyway.  Why can&#8217;t this be done everywhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Landsberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Landsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First ---  thanks for all your responses and the civil nature. There appears to be a  &quot;certain&quot; sense of frustration in the aviation electorate ( not much gets by me! ) 

You raise some fundamental issues that are probably a &quot;bit beyond&quot; the scope of this blog. I know from some long conversations with AOPA&#039;s Gov&#039;t Affairs security folk that dealing with security people in the government is extremely challenging but there are clearly some security threats that they need to anticipate. 

Are there better ways of dealing with it? Absolutely! I am guardedly optimistic that at some point more sanity may prevail but it&#039;s going to take a lot of effort. Paradoxically, our greatest attribute of freedom is also a significant weakness that clever enemies can exploit but Benjamin Franklin perhaps has the best quote:

&quot;They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. &quot; 

As for the political challenges in general - follow the dictates of those who live in both Chicago and NJ --Vote early and often!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First &#8212;  thanks for all your responses and the civil nature. There appears to be a  &#8220;certain&#8221; sense of frustration in the aviation electorate ( not much gets by me! ) </p>
<p>You raise some fundamental issues that are probably a &#8220;bit beyond&#8221; the scope of this blog. I know from some long conversations with AOPA&#8217;s Gov&#8217;t Affairs security folk that dealing with security people in the government is extremely challenging but there are clearly some security threats that they need to anticipate. </p>
<p>Are there better ways of dealing with it? Absolutely! I am guardedly optimistic that at some point more sanity may prevail but it&#8217;s going to take a lot of effort. Paradoxically, our greatest attribute of freedom is also a significant weakness that clever enemies can exploit but Benjamin Franklin perhaps has the best quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. &#8221; </p>
<p>As for the political challenges in general &#8211; follow the dictates of those who live in both Chicago and NJ &#8211;Vote early and often!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/leadingedge/?p=1081&#038;cpage=1#comment-29664</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why isn&#039;t the TFR called the &quot; I&#039;m employed by corporate america and you pay my salary which makes me better than you flight restriction&quot;   I know too long]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t the TFR called the &#8221; I&#8217;m employed by corporate america and you pay my salary which makes me better than you flight restriction&#8221;   I know too long</p>
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