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		<title>By: Mark C</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=3483&#038;cpage=1#comment-145334</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 18:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, the title worked, look at all the attention the article received. I&#039;m quite jealous of anyone who gets to fly this historic airplane before it becomes a museum piece, and even found myself thinking that I&#039;d kind of like to build an RV, a thought I abandoned long ago when I realized that I&#039;m a pilot, not a builder. I do have a question if Van is still watching here - when you originally built it, could you trim the plane for hands-off flight at 170? Just curious if that is something that someone managed to screw up in the intervening years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, the title worked, look at all the attention the article received. I&#8217;m quite jealous of anyone who gets to fly this historic airplane before it becomes a museum piece, and even found myself thinking that I&#8217;d kind of like to build an RV, a thought I abandoned long ago when I realized that I&#8217;m a pilot, not a builder. I do have a question if Van is still watching here &#8211; when you originally built it, could you trim the plane for hands-off flight at 170? Just curious if that is something that someone managed to screw up in the intervening years.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hirschman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hirschman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 15:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the risk of taking more hits, I&#039;d like to jump back in to make a couple points I think are being overlooked.
First, I love RVs and have nothing but admiration for the company and its founder. (I&#039;ve owned an RV-3 and an RV-4 -- and my mom flies an RV-10). They are the most versatile airplanes I know, and the best part is that there&#039;s a tremendously capable and positive community that comes with them (see www.vansairforce.net).
The Texas volunteers who contributed their talent, skill, and funds to return the RV-1 to airworthy condition have done a great service to our aviation community, and I look forward to being a spectator when the RV-1 makes its triumphant arrival at OSH 2012 and gets its much deserved place of honor in the EAA museum.
The performance standard in Experimental aviation has risen dramatically in the last 47 years, and an airplane that was a good performer then may be seen as lacking by modern standards. Dick Van Grunsven has done as much, and perhaps more, than anyone else to raise those standards, so it&#039;s a tribute to him and other visionaries that the airplanes being built and flown today are the marvels that they are.
Now, I&#039;ll bug out and give someone else the last word . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of taking more hits, I&#8217;d like to jump back in to make a couple points I think are being overlooked.<br />
First, I love RVs and have nothing but admiration for the company and its founder. (I&#8217;ve owned an RV-3 and an RV-4 &#8212; and my mom flies an RV-10). They are the most versatile airplanes I know, and the best part is that there&#8217;s a tremendously capable and positive community that comes with them (see <a href="http://www.vansairforce.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.vansairforce.net</a>).<br />
The Texas volunteers who contributed their talent, skill, and funds to return the RV-1 to airworthy condition have done a great service to our aviation community, and I look forward to being a spectator when the RV-1 makes its triumphant arrival at OSH 2012 and gets its much deserved place of honor in the EAA museum.<br />
The performance standard in Experimental aviation has risen dramatically in the last 47 years, and an airplane that was a good performer then may be seen as lacking by modern standards. Dick Van Grunsven has done as much, and perhaps more, than anyone else to raise those standards, so it&#8217;s a tribute to him and other visionaries that the airplanes being built and flown today are the marvels that they are.<br />
Now, I&#8217;ll bug out and give someone else the last word . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Roy haggard</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=3483&#038;cpage=1#comment-144997</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy haggard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All:

Designers and visionaries like Van deal with massive amounts of counter intention. Frankly, it gets tiresome. This, IMO, fuels his spirited response. 

I believe than Van&#039;s RV-1 as a proof of principle prototype was a fantastice achievement, and aggree with his the position that &quot;dreadful&quot; is not an appropriate adjective to apply. It was all he needed to make the next set of decisions that turned into the finest product line of recreational aircraft in existance. It was simple, to the point, economical, and elegantly provided the confirmation that Van was looking for to move on to the next steps...

Imagine the engineering expense in both hours and prototype fabrication would be spent by Cessna, Beechraft or Piper to develop  the RV product line. 

The RV-1 was truly the snowball that started the avalanche of the most enjoyable product line of aircraft that exists today. 

Sincerely, 
Roy A. Haggard, 
(Also with a product design and development background)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All:</p>
<p>Designers and visionaries like Van deal with massive amounts of counter intention. Frankly, it gets tiresome. This, IMO, fuels his spirited response. </p>
<p>I believe than Van&#8217;s RV-1 as a proof of principle prototype was a fantastice achievement, and aggree with his the position that &#8220;dreadful&#8221; is not an appropriate adjective to apply. It was all he needed to make the next set of decisions that turned into the finest product line of recreational aircraft in existance. It was simple, to the point, economical, and elegantly provided the confirmation that Van was looking for to move on to the next steps&#8230;</p>
<p>Imagine the engineering expense in both hours and prototype fabrication would be spent by Cessna, Beechraft or Piper to develop  the RV product line. </p>
<p>The RV-1 was truly the snowball that started the avalanche of the most enjoyable product line of aircraft that exists today. </p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Roy A. Haggard,<br />
(Also with a product design and development background)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Treger</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=3483&#038;cpage=1#comment-144993</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Treger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 14:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Provocative and innacurate title detract from credibility of story. Glib response to aircraft designer&#039;s thoughtful critique seem consistent. Did author present draft article for a fact check and to get an initial reaction from aircraft designer? My understanding is competent reporters do so, in any field of journalism. Unfortunate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Provocative and innacurate title detract from credibility of story. Glib response to aircraft designer&#8217;s thoughtful critique seem consistent. Did author present draft article for a fact check and to get an initial reaction from aircraft designer? My understanding is competent reporters do so, in any field of journalism. Unfortunate.</p>
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		<title>By: M. E. Atwood</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=3483&#038;cpage=1#comment-144992</link>
		<dc:creator>M. E. Atwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 14:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm....after a little head scratching...frankly I can see both sides of this..ah...debate.  I&#039;m not taking about the aircraft, because I&#039;ve never fllown an RV of any number.  I&#039;m talking about the styleof the article.  A few years ago I felt so compelled after reading an article by Ian that I wrote him also.  In essence, and my opinion he belittled an older aircraft about its paint, interior, radios, etc.  I got the feeling he was looking down his nose at the plane, which so many pilots would have been very happy to own as is.  I thought it wasn&#039;t up to AOPA standards to belittle someones aircraft that way. In his defence, Ian did write me back.  To get the the yeng and yang of it, Dave...no one wnats to hear that thier baby has a wart on the end of its nose so you might have  made a statement that the RV &quot;could&quot; be an uncomfortable aircraft for some, similar to the recent article on the Pitts, and Dick, just because you don&#039;t want to talk about the wart doesn&#039;t mean it isn&#039;t there.  Blue skys to you both fellas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;.after a little head scratching&#8230;frankly I can see both sides of this..ah&#8230;debate.  I&#8217;m not taking about the aircraft, because I&#8217;ve never fllown an RV of any number.  I&#8217;m talking about the styleof the article.  A few years ago I felt so compelled after reading an article by Ian that I wrote him also.  In essence, and my opinion he belittled an older aircraft about its paint, interior, radios, etc.  I got the feeling he was looking down his nose at the plane, which so many pilots would have been very happy to own as is.  I thought it wasn&#8217;t up to AOPA standards to belittle someones aircraft that way. In his defence, Ian did write me back.  To get the the yeng and yang of it, Dave&#8230;no one wnats to hear that thier baby has a wart on the end of its nose so you might have  made a statement that the RV &#8220;could&#8221; be an uncomfortable aircraft for some, similar to the recent article on the Pitts, and Dick, just because you don&#8217;t want to talk about the wart doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t there.  Blue skys to you both fellas.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Vroom</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=3483&#038;cpage=1#comment-144990</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Vroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 13:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The writer is dead wrong in trying to justify an absurd intro. Yes, it may get our attention, as was his intent, but it is incorrect information. That is offensive to us that know the aircraft.

My first thought was that, though he may be a nice guy, the writer was much less that knowledgeable about the plane and that it was an &quot; National Inquirer&quot; level  intro. The reason I clicked on the story was ONLY to find out what other absurdities might be printed. The rest of the article proved to be fine. The negative thought still lingers.

I was at RV Central while the RV1 was being restored and later flown, though I helped very little.  Paul Dye had the big &quot;RV grin&quot; after the initial flight.   &quot;dreadful&quot; was a less than stellar choice.

This is to offer another opinion ... not to start an opinion WAR !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writer is dead wrong in trying to justify an absurd intro. Yes, it may get our attention, as was his intent, but it is incorrect information. That is offensive to us that know the aircraft.</p>
<p>My first thought was that, though he may be a nice guy, the writer was much less that knowledgeable about the plane and that it was an &#8221; National Inquirer&#8221; level  intro. The reason I clicked on the story was ONLY to find out what other absurdities might be printed. The rest of the article proved to be fine. The negative thought still lingers.</p>
<p>I was at RV Central while the RV1 was being restored and later flown, though I helped very little.  Paul Dye had the big &#8220;RV grin&#8221; after the initial flight.   &#8220;dreadful&#8221; was a less than stellar choice.</p>
<p>This is to offer another opinion &#8230; not to start an opinion WAR !</p>
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		<title>By: John Schubert</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=3483&#038;cpage=1#comment-144986</link>
		<dc:creator>John Schubert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 12:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;dreadful&quot; headline got my attention, but the article sure didn&#039;t make the case for &quot;dreadful.&quot;  Brisk cruise speed, great climb rate, sensible final approach speed, good handling. . . . The author forgot to mention the fully aerobatic part.
OK, so the fuel system and instrument panel are simple.  Uh, that&#039;s what most homebuilts are like!  An experimental aircraft has tight cockpit dimensions!  Holy smoke, Batman, call in the marines!  You want a big cockpit, buy a Skylane and go 100 knots slower on the same fuel burn.
  Sounds like there are some issues with the trim, but (a) it&#039;s an experimental plane, and (b) VanGrunsven sold it 44 years ago.  Perhaps that could be fixed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;dreadful&#8221; headline got my attention, but the article sure didn&#8217;t make the case for &#8220;dreadful.&#8221;  Brisk cruise speed, great climb rate, sensible final approach speed, good handling. . . . The author forgot to mention the fully aerobatic part.<br />
OK, so the fuel system and instrument panel are simple.  Uh, that&#8217;s what most homebuilts are like!  An experimental aircraft has tight cockpit dimensions!  Holy smoke, Batman, call in the marines!  You want a big cockpit, buy a Skylane and go 100 knots slower on the same fuel burn.<br />
  Sounds like there are some issues with the trim, but (a) it&#8217;s an experimental plane, and (b) VanGrunsven sold it 44 years ago.  Perhaps that could be fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow - my reaction to the above ... Geez Van, pop a chill pill why don&#039;t you !!!

No doubt the title was a touch pejorative - but that&#039;s a common device that journos often use to generate interest in a story. It&#039;s the information age you know - you need to &quot;cut through&quot; ... it hardly marks the plumbing of new depths in aviation journalism, as you suggest.

Case in point: when I read the title, it made me smile - just a tad -  and it engaged me just enough to make me click the link in order to read the article. Think of the possibilities - I could have just missed it, or simply ignored it - not bothering to read about you, your RV-1 and the legacy of your later designs at all. Yeah, great work.

I think any fair-minded reader would come away from this article with the impression that the author was pretty balanced and was actually trying to be quite complimentary towards your legacy of remarkable and wonderful airplane designs - starting from the RV-1 onwards. Obviously, as the author stated, they have improved as the models have progressed; even your own response alludes to this fact. Nobody doubts your skills as a designer, or the handling qualities of the RV-1 as an airplane, to which you have devoted much effort in your rebuttal of non-criticism. Clearly the author was concerned about the performance of your pitiful first attempt at a 1-seater when he mentioned it had no problem running down the adjacent Bonza moving at full-steam! Oh hang on ..

If this is how you respond to a good review, I&#039;d hate to see how you deal with a bad one. I guess it&#039;s just good fortune that you&#039;re such a talented airplane designer and therefore don&#039;t receive too many of them. The truly &quot;simply dreadful&quot; thing is that you seem to have missed the bigger picture - that people care about you and your airplanes enough to write about them at length. I&#039;m a little disappointed to be honest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; my reaction to the above &#8230; Geez Van, pop a chill pill why don&#8217;t you !!!</p>
<p>No doubt the title was a touch pejorative &#8211; but that&#8217;s a common device that journos often use to generate interest in a story. It&#8217;s the information age you know &#8211; you need to &#8220;cut through&#8221; &#8230; it hardly marks the plumbing of new depths in aviation journalism, as you suggest.</p>
<p>Case in point: when I read the title, it made me smile &#8211; just a tad &#8211;  and it engaged me just enough to make me click the link in order to read the article. Think of the possibilities &#8211; I could have just missed it, or simply ignored it &#8211; not bothering to read about you, your RV-1 and the legacy of your later designs at all. Yeah, great work.</p>
<p>I think any fair-minded reader would come away from this article with the impression that the author was pretty balanced and was actually trying to be quite complimentary towards your legacy of remarkable and wonderful airplane designs &#8211; starting from the RV-1 onwards. Obviously, as the author stated, they have improved as the models have progressed; even your own response alludes to this fact. Nobody doubts your skills as a designer, or the handling qualities of the RV-1 as an airplane, to which you have devoted much effort in your rebuttal of non-criticism. Clearly the author was concerned about the performance of your pitiful first attempt at a 1-seater when he mentioned it had no problem running down the adjacent Bonza moving at full-steam! Oh hang on ..</p>
<p>If this is how you respond to a good review, I&#8217;d hate to see how you deal with a bad one. I guess it&#8217;s just good fortune that you&#8217;re such a talented airplane designer and therefore don&#8217;t receive too many of them. The truly &#8220;simply dreadful&#8221; thing is that you seem to have missed the bigger picture &#8211; that people care about you and your airplanes enough to write about them at length. I&#8217;m a little disappointed to be honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick VanGrunsven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick VanGrunsven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 03:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave,

If you were intentionally trying to pull my chain, you succeeded.  To call the RV-1 a &quot;Simply Dreadful&quot; airplane just shows that aviation  journalism has sunk to a new low.   In its day it had a top speed of 170 mph and a climb rate of over 1700 fpm, and operated comfortably from a 650 ft. long grass runway.  It was capable of all normal aerobatic maneuvers  up through vertical eights.  If that&#039;s &quot;Simply Dreadful&quot;, then I guess that we all need to go back to school.   &quot;Good looks&quot; is a subjective term, but in all of the years, I have never had anyone insinuate that it was ugly until now.

The seat now in the RV-1 is a poor substitute for the comfortable bucket seat I had made and installed to accomodate my 6&#039; 1&quot; frame in reasonable comfort.  A lot of other things were changed on the RV-1 since I sold it in 1968, and none of them improved it in my opinion.  It is now about 100 lbs heavier than it was then, but that in itself doesn&#039;t affect much other than the rate of climb and landing speed.  The ground handling now is much more sensitive than originally.  The wheels probably need aligning, the tire pressure may be too high, and the new tail wheel has springs that are probably too tight.  All of these are details which didn&#039;t originally exist and can probably be fixed.  To assume that they are inherent problems sufficient to justify condeming the airplane is silly.

The volunteers in Texas did a good job of making the RV-1 airworthy again.  They did not have time to bring everything back to its original form and performance.   

If the RV-1 had been as &quot;Dreadful&quot; as you have labled it, I never would not have used it as a basis for the RV-3 and all that followed.  In fact, the RV-1 in its day was a very good airplane, and is still a good airplane.  Its performance, as mentioned above, was the motivation for the &quot;Total Performance&quot; lable we have used for every RV design that followed it.  

Simply Dreadful.  Indeed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>If you were intentionally trying to pull my chain, you succeeded.  To call the RV-1 a &#8220;Simply Dreadful&#8221; airplane just shows that aviation  journalism has sunk to a new low.   In its day it had a top speed of 170 mph and a climb rate of over 1700 fpm, and operated comfortably from a 650 ft. long grass runway.  It was capable of all normal aerobatic maneuvers  up through vertical eights.  If that&#8217;s &#8220;Simply Dreadful&#8221;, then I guess that we all need to go back to school.   &#8220;Good looks&#8221; is a subjective term, but in all of the years, I have never had anyone insinuate that it was ugly until now.</p>
<p>The seat now in the RV-1 is a poor substitute for the comfortable bucket seat I had made and installed to accomodate my 6&#8242; 1&#8243; frame in reasonable comfort.  A lot of other things were changed on the RV-1 since I sold it in 1968, and none of them improved it in my opinion.  It is now about 100 lbs heavier than it was then, but that in itself doesn&#8217;t affect much other than the rate of climb and landing speed.  The ground handling now is much more sensitive than originally.  The wheels probably need aligning, the tire pressure may be too high, and the new tail wheel has springs that are probably too tight.  All of these are details which didn&#8217;t originally exist and can probably be fixed.  To assume that they are inherent problems sufficient to justify condeming the airplane is silly.</p>
<p>The volunteers in Texas did a good job of making the RV-1 airworthy again.  They did not have time to bring everything back to its original form and performance.   </p>
<p>If the RV-1 had been as &#8220;Dreadful&#8221; as you have labled it, I never would not have used it as a basis for the RV-3 and all that followed.  In fact, the RV-1 in its day was a very good airplane, and is still a good airplane.  Its performance, as mentioned above, was the motivation for the &#8220;Total Performance&#8221; lable we have used for every RV design that followed it.  </p>
<p>Simply Dreadful.  Indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Haines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Haines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 00:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For more on this remarkable airplane, its history, and the dedicated team that put it back into flying condition, see &quot;Rebirth of the Pioneer RV,&quot; in the April 2012 issue of AOPA PILOT: http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2012/april/f_rv-1.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more on this remarkable airplane, its history, and the dedicated team that put it back into flying condition, see &#8220;Rebirth of the Pioneer RV,&#8221; in the April 2012 issue of AOPA PILOT: <a href="http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2012/april/f_rv-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2012/april/f_rv-1.html</a></p>
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