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		<title>By: Allen H</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=248&#038;cpage=1#comment-2673</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I forgot:  The other item included in the Perspective&#039;s price tag is that SVT which Diamond has priced at $10,000 alone.  Plus, the Perspective is only available on the very top of the Cirrus line, the SR22-GTS.  The regular SR22 and the SR20 still have the Avidyne setup.  But to &quot;Help Me Decide&quot; or anyone else wondering if the package is worth the money, this pilot says an unqualified YES!  Funny, too how I note few people seem to be knocking the synthetic vision which is, at it&#039;s core, a safety enhancement; yet so many are so quick to knock the &quot;blue button&quot;!  As one who has studied the safety record of turbine business aircraft compared to piston GA aircraft, the main differences are total redundancy of systems so that not only can one fault, but several simultaneous ones, NOT bring down a turbine plane.  We have not had that until recently But the more GA aircraft get the level of system redundancy and safety features that the turbine guys have, (like in Perspective) the sooner GA flying can come much closer to the safety record of the turbine guys!  That should always be viewed by all of us as a good thing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I forgot:  The other item included in the Perspective&#8217;s price tag is that SVT which Diamond has priced at $10,000 alone.  Plus, the Perspective is only available on the very top of the Cirrus line, the SR22-GTS.  The regular SR22 and the SR20 still have the Avidyne setup.  But to &#8220;Help Me Decide&#8221; or anyone else wondering if the package is worth the money, this pilot says an unqualified YES!  Funny, too how I note few people seem to be knocking the synthetic vision which is, at it&#8217;s core, a safety enhancement; yet so many are so quick to knock the &#8220;blue button&#8221;!  As one who has studied the safety record of turbine business aircraft compared to piston GA aircraft, the main differences are total redundancy of systems so that not only can one fault, but several simultaneous ones, NOT bring down a turbine plane.  We have not had that until recently But the more GA aircraft get the level of system redundancy and safety features that the turbine guys have, (like in Perspective) the sooner GA flying can come much closer to the safety record of the turbine guys!  That should always be viewed by all of us as a good thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Allen H</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=248&#038;cpage=1#comment-2672</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I flew a demo for nearly 2 hours on June 16th in the Perspective SR22.  Original plan was for the Avidyne plane but the factory pilot got his Perspective Turbo demo plane 2 days earlier and had 1 day in school on the system.  He has over 500 hours in SR22s to that point.  So I was thrilled to get to fly the Perspective.  I had flown an Avidyne SR22 a year ago so that was my only previous experience with Cirrus.  I have previously owned a Mooney 201 with KFC 200 in it.  The experience was great not only to see what the system can do but because I watched the demo pilot struggle with several things on a brief VFR flight.  So I could see that no matter how &quot;intuitive&quot; a system may seem, there is still substantial training and practice that will be necessary to be safe &amp; proficient.  As to the $48,000 price, note it also includes a number of things you cannot even get in the Avidyne planes: True dual &quot;full capacity&quot; electrical system with the 2nd 70 amp alternator &amp; second battery, dual AHARS which NONE of the current G-1000 planes have, not even the Baron G58, 12&#039; higher res screens instead of the 10&quot; screens, separate autopilot control panel with more features, and the alphanumeric control panel/keypad.  Oh, yes and that LVL button!  So the price is not just for a G1000 panel, but LOTS more redundancy and total integration.  Every system shows up on a screen, including TKS and oxygen levels.  There are no separate guages at all.

My wife has resisted not only my own flying but going anywhere with me for over 30 years.  All you guys who poo-poo additional safety innovations in any GA aircraft need to quit thinking about just yourselves for a minute and look around at the non-pilots among your own families and friends.  Most non-pilots are uncomfortable at best and terrified at worst (like my wife) of flying in &quot;small&quot; airplanes.  You need to also think about this when you have to pay for your next insurance policy.  When we as an industry or group can improve safety in actuality and the perception of safety among the non-flying public we should applaud and support every advancement and innovation that strives to do that.  Just think, it might actually improve the accident history and thereby our cost of flying!  What a concept!

After showing my wife the features of the SR22 and perspective &amp; synthetic vision, I pointed out that if something happened to me (incapacitation) OR we had mechanical difficulty,(her biggest fear) we (she) needed only to 1.) push the &quot;blue button&quot;, 2.) pull the throttle back, and 3.) Pull the parachute.  For the first time in 34 years of flying, she actually gave me a sincere &quot;wow, that really is nice!&quot; instead of the usual patronizing &quot;yes, that&#039;s nice, dear&quot; reply.  Then to top it off, she sat with me and wanted to know more about the plane and looked at the brochures.  That has never happened before.  I am getting ready to place my order next month.  

When any aircraft that can accomplish the conversion of a dedicated non-flyer to actually becoming interested in GA flying, we should all applaud that accomplishment!  I certainly do!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I flew a demo for nearly 2 hours on June 16th in the Perspective SR22.  Original plan was for the Avidyne plane but the factory pilot got his Perspective Turbo demo plane 2 days earlier and had 1 day in school on the system.  He has over 500 hours in SR22s to that point.  So I was thrilled to get to fly the Perspective.  I had flown an Avidyne SR22 a year ago so that was my only previous experience with Cirrus.  I have previously owned a Mooney 201 with KFC 200 in it.  The experience was great not only to see what the system can do but because I watched the demo pilot struggle with several things on a brief VFR flight.  So I could see that no matter how &#8220;intuitive&#8221; a system may seem, there is still substantial training and practice that will be necessary to be safe &amp; proficient.  As to the $48,000 price, note it also includes a number of things you cannot even get in the Avidyne planes: True dual &#8220;full capacity&#8221; electrical system with the 2nd 70 amp alternator &amp; second battery, dual AHARS which NONE of the current G-1000 planes have, not even the Baron G58, 12&#8242; higher res screens instead of the 10&#8243; screens, separate autopilot control panel with more features, and the alphanumeric control panel/keypad.  Oh, yes and that LVL button!  So the price is not just for a G1000 panel, but LOTS more redundancy and total integration.  Every system shows up on a screen, including TKS and oxygen levels.  There are no separate guages at all.</p>
<p>My wife has resisted not only my own flying but going anywhere with me for over 30 years.  All you guys who poo-poo additional safety innovations in any GA aircraft need to quit thinking about just yourselves for a minute and look around at the non-pilots among your own families and friends.  Most non-pilots are uncomfortable at best and terrified at worst (like my wife) of flying in &#8220;small&#8221; airplanes.  You need to also think about this when you have to pay for your next insurance policy.  When we as an industry or group can improve safety in actuality and the perception of safety among the non-flying public we should applaud and support every advancement and innovation that strives to do that.  Just think, it might actually improve the accident history and thereby our cost of flying!  What a concept!</p>
<p>After showing my wife the features of the SR22 and perspective &amp; synthetic vision, I pointed out that if something happened to me (incapacitation) OR we had mechanical difficulty,(her biggest fear) we (she) needed only to 1.) push the &#8220;blue button&#8221;, 2.) pull the throttle back, and 3.) Pull the parachute.  For the first time in 34 years of flying, she actually gave me a sincere &#8220;wow, that really is nice!&#8221; instead of the usual patronizing &#8220;yes, that&#8217;s nice, dear&#8221; reply.  Then to top it off, she sat with me and wanted to know more about the plane and looked at the brochures.  That has never happened before.  I am getting ready to place my order next month.  </p>
<p>When any aircraft that can accomplish the conversion of a dedicated non-flyer to actually becoming interested in GA flying, we should all applaud that accomplishment!  I certainly do!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=248&#038;cpage=1#comment-2200</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just don&#039;t understand all the comments criticizing the parachute and level button and any other safety options on this airplane. why would you NOT want them available? Key word here is AVAILABLE.  i&#039;d be willing to bet my last dollar if all the &quot;joe testosterone pilots&quot; above were in a serious situation (bird strike through the windshield and pilot blinded by debris, mid-air collision and wing/tail/rudder falls off, heart attack and unable to move limbs), they would thank their lucky angles that they were in an airplane equipped with such safety options. 

Of course, when they got on the they ground, it would probably be something like &quot;that !@#% parachute popped out on me and I HAD to float to safety instead of dead-sticking it in&quot;.  I doubt we&#039;ll ever see an NTSB report that reads: &quot;pilot was so darn good he didn&#039;t use any of the safety equipment provided&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t understand all the comments criticizing the parachute and level button and any other safety options on this airplane. why would you NOT want them available? Key word here is AVAILABLE.  i&#8217;d be willing to bet my last dollar if all the &#8220;joe testosterone pilots&#8221; above were in a serious situation (bird strike through the windshield and pilot blinded by debris, mid-air collision and wing/tail/rudder falls off, heart attack and unable to move limbs), they would thank their lucky angles that they were in an airplane equipped with such safety options. </p>
<p>Of course, when they got on the they ground, it would probably be something like &#8220;that !@#% parachute popped out on me and I HAD to float to safety instead of dead-sticking it in&#8221;.  I doubt we&#8217;ll ever see an NTSB report that reads: &#8220;pilot was so darn good he didn&#8217;t use any of the safety equipment provided&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: dean hatten</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=248&#038;cpage=1#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>dean hatten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i drove a cirrus sr20 with the avidyne system for 700 hours, i now have 400 hours on a columbia 400 (not quite ready to call it a cessna 400 yet).  i will tell anyone who asks, there ain&#039;t no comparing the two.  i simply would not fly the avidyne if i could afford the g1000.  the g1000 is better by at least two orders of magnitude.
LVL button?  sure, why not.  if the pilot is NIR, i think it is a no brainer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i drove a cirrus sr20 with the avidyne system for 700 hours, i now have 400 hours on a columbia 400 (not quite ready to call it a cessna 400 yet).  i will tell anyone who asks, there ain&#8217;t no comparing the two.  i simply would not fly the avidyne if i could afford the g1000.  the g1000 is better by at least two orders of magnitude.<br />
LVL button?  sure, why not.  if the pilot is NIR, i think it is a no brainer.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik Vaeroe</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=248&#038;cpage=1#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator>Henrik Vaeroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The LVL button reminds me of the Positive Control system installed on Mooneys of the 60&#039;s. It was in effect a low-authority, continously operating wing-leveler, easily overpowered during maneuvering. Pilots hated it while I&#039;m told that insurance companies liked it. I believe any sense of security from this would be real as opposed to false, as it is on all the time with no input required.

No, there is no false sense of security from wearing seat belts, and there never was. You could tell from observing drivers with and without back in the years when it was not compulsory. They behaved the same. The seat belt was pure benefit.

Yes, some other systems delivers a false sense of security. Cars with anti-blocking brakes were found to have more accidents back in the days where only some cars had them. Drivers drove closer to vehicles in front and had more rear-end accidents. Today that is different. All cars have anti-skid brakes, no-one thinks about it, and they work, making things a little bit safer, again because it requires nothing from the driver.

A parachute and a fly-straight-button? Both are obvious to pilot and many passengers, and both require action at a critical moment. I&#039;m not sure the false-sense-of-security problem is over for Cirrus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LVL button reminds me of the Positive Control system installed on Mooneys of the 60&#8242;s. It was in effect a low-authority, continously operating wing-leveler, easily overpowered during maneuvering. Pilots hated it while I&#8217;m told that insurance companies liked it. I believe any sense of security from this would be real as opposed to false, as it is on all the time with no input required.</p>
<p>No, there is no false sense of security from wearing seat belts, and there never was. You could tell from observing drivers with and without back in the years when it was not compulsory. They behaved the same. The seat belt was pure benefit.</p>
<p>Yes, some other systems delivers a false sense of security. Cars with anti-blocking brakes were found to have more accidents back in the days where only some cars had them. Drivers drove closer to vehicles in front and had more rear-end accidents. Today that is different. All cars have anti-skid brakes, no-one thinks about it, and they work, making things a little bit safer, again because it requires nothing from the driver.</p>
<p>A parachute and a fly-straight-button? Both are obvious to pilot and many passengers, and both require action at a critical moment. I&#8217;m not sure the false-sense-of-security problem is over for Cirrus.</p>
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		<title>By: John Fellows</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=248&#038;cpage=1#comment-748</link>
		<dc:creator>John Fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 15:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Stephen Textor says so eloquently,&quot; The real question is whether the automated pilot is safe to fly the airplane….&quot;

If he means by the phrase &quot;automated pilot&quot;, a real human at the controls of a machine designed to operate in three dimensions which has numerous features and functions that may distract from the aforementioned basic premise, then the &#039;automated pilot&#039; definitely must assimilate,demonstrate, and perform significant abilities to simultaneously manage both the functions of operating the machine and the associated avionics.

Or in the vernacular, if you got &#039;junk in the trunk&#039;, ya gotta know when to leave the junk in the sky an&#039; jus&#039; fly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Stephen Textor says so eloquently,&#8221; The real question is whether the automated pilot is safe to fly the airplane….&#8221;</p>
<p>If he means by the phrase &#8220;automated pilot&#8221;, a real human at the controls of a machine designed to operate in three dimensions which has numerous features and functions that may distract from the aforementioned basic premise, then the &#8216;automated pilot&#8217; definitely must assimilate,demonstrate, and perform significant abilities to simultaneously manage both the functions of operating the machine and the associated avionics.</p>
<p>Or in the vernacular, if you got &#8216;junk in the trunk&#8217;, ya gotta know when to leave the junk in the sky an&#8217; jus&#8217; fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Textor</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=248&#038;cpage=1#comment-737</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Textor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 03:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regardless of the relative merit of  the Garmin 1000, I was struck by the introduction of a panel mounted LVL function. 

Another senseless &quot;safety feature&quot; that reflects a nagging problem beneath the surface--pilot competency? I may be missing something iregarding flight instruction during the &quot;glass cockpit&quot; era,  but basic flight skills ought to assure reasonable control of the aircraft including the ability to recognize and recover from unusual attitudes. 

My concern is that promoting dependence on autopilot technology, automated approaches and flight control, and a &quot;panic button&quot; all tend to diminish actual hands-on flight skills. The real question is whether the automated pilot is safe to fly the airplane....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the relative merit of  the Garmin 1000, I was struck by the introduction of a panel mounted LVL function. </p>
<p>Another senseless &#8220;safety feature&#8221; that reflects a nagging problem beneath the surface&#8211;pilot competency? I may be missing something iregarding flight instruction during the &#8220;glass cockpit&#8221; era,  but basic flight skills ought to assure reasonable control of the aircraft including the ability to recognize and recover from unusual attitudes. </p>
<p>My concern is that promoting dependence on autopilot technology, automated approaches and flight control, and a &#8220;panic button&#8221; all tend to diminish actual hands-on flight skills. The real question is whether the automated pilot is safe to fly the airplane&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=248&#038;cpage=1#comment-735</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 02:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Perspective is much more than an SR22 with a G1000 cockpit.  The following link has an excellent description of the benefits:  

http://www.turbopilot.com/cirrusperspective/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Perspective is much more than an SR22 with a G1000 cockpit.  The following link has an excellent description of the benefits:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.turbopilot.com/cirrusperspective/" rel="nofollow">http://www.turbopilot.com/cirrusperspective/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Fellows</title>
		<link>http://blog.aopa.org/blog/?p=248&#038;cpage=1#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>John Fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To &quot;Help Me Decide&quot; - it&#039;s not a matter of whether the $48K is worth it (it is) and (BTW only Cirrus has asked this extra cost - Columbia, pre-Cessna-takeover, actually offered the G1000 &#039;option&#039; for LESS than the Avidyne), the question is, will Avidyne even be around to offer their yesterday&#039;s-news avionics suite now that Cirrus, their single biggest customer, has flown the coop?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;Help Me Decide&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s not a matter of whether the $48K is worth it (it is) and (BTW only Cirrus has asked this extra cost &#8211; Columbia, pre-Cessna-takeover, actually offered the G1000 &#8216;option&#8217; for LESS than the Avidyne), the question is, will Avidyne even be around to offer their yesterday&#8217;s-news avionics suite now that Cirrus, their single biggest customer, has flown the coop?</p>
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		<title>By: John Fellows</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff takes a pass on the &quot;lemonade&quot; and Burt smokes the marketing dope Cirrus so skillfully delivers to the impressionable. BTW, re the LVL blue buton. Although Cirrus may be the first to announce it in a production aircraft, it is a GARMIN product and you can be sure every aircraft manufacturer that includes the Garmin GFC700 autopilot wil include this great feature going forward. Just like Diamond was first to announce inclusion of GARMIN&#039;s Synthetic Vision technology in their G1000 system, you&#039;re now seeing everyone jump aboard this remarkable new feature as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff takes a pass on the &#8220;lemonade&#8221; and Burt smokes the marketing dope Cirrus so skillfully delivers to the impressionable. BTW, re the LVL blue buton. Although Cirrus may be the first to announce it in a production aircraft, it is a GARMIN product and you can be sure every aircraft manufacturer that includes the Garmin GFC700 autopilot wil include this great feature going forward. Just like Diamond was first to announce inclusion of GARMIN&#8217;s Synthetic Vision technology in their G1000 system, you&#8217;re now seeing everyone jump aboard this remarkable new feature as well.</p>
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